Marines Push Quietly, But Hard, For Navy to Replace C-2s With V-22s


Marine leaders hope the Osprey’s “carrier quals,” scheduled to continue in May and June, will help the Osprey get a thumbs-up as well from the admirals who run the Navy when they pick a replacement aircraft for their aging C-2A Greyhounds, the twin-engine turboprops that haul cargo, mail and passengers between carriers and the shore — a mission called COD for “carrier on-board delivery.” The first prototypes flew in 1964.

The C-2 will soon be “an obsolete carrier on-board delivery platform,” said Marine Col. Greg Masiello, who as V-22 program manager for the Naval Air Systems Command is openly advocating the Osprey as a replacement. “I might be considered biased, but it’s an ideal platform for aerial resupply for the Navy.”

via Marines Push Quietly, But Hard, For Navy to Replace C-2s With V-22s.

Given that E-2Ds will be flying from carrier decks for 30 to 40 years, you’d think the COD community would be pushing for a C-2 with commonality with the E-2. I strongly suspect the logistical savings would be greater that way than by pushing the V-22 on the COD community.

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3 responses to “Marines Push Quietly, But Hard, For Navy to Replace C-2s With V-22s

  1. New C-2s could easily be built. There’s not much difference between the E-2 basic air frame and the C-2. Parts commonality would ease a lot of maintenance problems as well.

    One of the men involved in the Osprey program retired and goes to my church. He likes the Osprey, but he’s said that the program worked up til then only by pre-positioning spares (this was a couple of years ago when he said that). The sheer complexity of the beast, IMHO, will lead to a relatively short active service time. Previous aircraft of similar type didn’t make it because of complexity and the osprey is even worse in that regard.

    I can see why Masiello would go for replacing the greyhound with the Osprey as it would, in his eyes, vindicate the decision to keep pushing the program. I think the services will eventually wish they had taken a different route than the Osprey.

  2. shipfitter

    I’m personally in favor of getting rid of CODs since one of them damn near killed me…

    I was part of a party of shipyard workers detailed to get underway on the Saratoga. One of our jobs (my job) was to heat up the outer core of a stator from a generator so it could be flown back to land and be re-worked by GE techs. It had to be heated up to get it expand to drop away from the inner core. It was a pretty cool 4 days and I got to watch flight ops doing carrier quals. Watching a 30 ton Tomcat slam into the deck (you could feel it!) and then JUMP into the air was cool to say the least. On the day of departure we were assembled in the island and given float coats and cranials. We were then led to the COD which already had that damn big stator lashed to the rear, cargo area of the COD. For those that don’t know, you sit backwards in a COD. I was seated on the outboard seat on the starboard (or right) side of the aircraft, where I could look out and see the starboard engine. I was really eager to get a cat shot (it was a lifetime dream). The engines were started, the checklist was done and the COD moved to the stern (cool, waist cat shot!) The COD got so close the round down (the very end of the flight deck) that I was a little worried. Then the pilot locked the brakes and ran the engines to full power. That’s when I started to worry…because we weren’t on the catapult tracks! Then I look out the window and I see oil streaming out of the panels on the engine! OH SH!T! Now my blood pressure is quickly going up…and then pegs the meter: we were rolling! No cat shot, a ton of stator staring me in the face. And GOD we were moving slowly but surely to the end of the waist cat! It was at that point I knew I was going to die because that slow ass pig of an aircraft just fell off the end of the cat…and I was looking at the underside of the flight deck! We labored along at the wave tops for what seemed like forever. The damn wheels had to be wet when the pilot called “gear up”. I was damn near wet in the seat of my pants :). Luckily, we made it back to JAX NAS and I told the lieutenant at the air field who met us that he could line up ever admiral in the Navy to kiss my ass before he got me to fly one of those death trap CODs again. So yes, please get rid of those damnable aircraft :)

  3. CODs often didn’t take cat shots. Yours was a bit too loaded to not take the shot, and I’m sure the pilot regretted it as well. The Osprey would not make a cost effective COD, however. I doubt they will be in service very long either.