How about a nice glass of Shut The Hell Up!


One of the reasons the US has been so politically stable for over two centuries is the mostly apolitical nature of our armed forces. We take that as the natural state of things, but in many places, armies are led not by professional soldiers, but by leaders with a vested interest in the stability of the existing regime.

Sadly, as with so much else in our country, the military is slowly becoming politicized.

Gen. Martin Dempsey called Terry Jones, who is known for inflammatory anti-Islamic rhetoric, to express his concerns about the film, saying it could inflame tensions and trigger violence.

U.S. Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans were killed in the attack.

Dempsey spokesman Marine Col. Dave Lapan said Jones did not say whether he would limit or continue his backing of the movie, “Innocence of Muslims.” A video excerpt of the low-budget film, which portrays Islamic Prophet Muhammad as a feckless philanderer who approved of child sexual abuse, is available on YouTube.

In an interview with The Associated Press, Jones said, “He asked us not to promote or show the film … I told him that we would definitely consider that. I would first have to watch the film.”

No servicemember, let alone the senior servicemember, should tell a private citizen what they should or should not say.

URR has argued here several times before that the upper echelons of the military have shown a lamentable tendency to forget that the armed forces exist to serve the population, not the population serving the forces. I’m starting to suspect he’s on to something there.

And it isn’t as if this is GEN Dempsey’s first foray into areas outside his duties. DrewM has an excellent post showing more of the General’s failures to adhere to his oath.

The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff is the principal military advisor to the President. He is not, however, supposed to be a cheerleader for him.

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12 responses to “How about a nice glass of Shut The Hell Up!

  1. sfcmac

    The shameful groveling by the Dhimmis in U.S. military leadership and the Obama regime is necessary because koran burning is so much more offensive than the rabid muzzies’ world wide atrocities; like dragging a U.S.
    Ambassador out of an embassy and killing him.

  2. Grumpy

    * HIT ! ! *
    This is the way, it *must be !*
    The Military is non-political, from BOTH sides.

  3. While I generally agree with XBrad, I think that there is a difference between placing a call to ask Jones to lay off the demagoguery in public and coming out in the media and demanding that Jones stop talking. Remember, in WWII, US Generals regularly requested that the media embargo certain stories until a certain time (although the gentleman’s agreement was broken on VE Day’s story).

    However, the way the President and State have acted in this regard is atrocious.

    • SecretSquid

      Requesting embargo of a specific news story publicizing DoD information and suppressing the religious speech of a private citizen are two very different things. The first is clearly within the DoD’s responsibility to protect the security of its own operations. The second is well outside any US Government authority, and is contrary to the US Government obligation to protect free speech rights.

  4. Mark Dunlap SFC Rigger (Ret).

    I thought (generally speaking) that verbally entering the world of policy in the civilian world (real, or in thought) by a member of the Armed Forces was proven with McArthur, and Singlaub….did I miss something???

  5. ultimaratioregis

    General Dempsey has abdicated his rank with his egregious breach of office, and his flagrant disregard of his Constitutional obligations and his responsibility to the tradition of a non-political Officer Corps. Twice, publicly, and God knows how many times behind the scenes.

    Missy Mullen kicked it all off, with his despicable antics,

    We used to have George Marshall. Now we have Wilhelm Keitel and Kurt Schleicher.

  6. rich

    the General also has a duty to protect this country from ALL enemies FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC!, So I think a phone call to stop would would likely and did turn out to be harm and death to Americans serving overseas is not only his right, but his DUTY! If through past experience the General KNOWS the possible outcome of such a foolish and dangerous action by the Preacher, then by all means, put a stop to it…it is called preventative medicine..personally, I think the Preacher and his family aught to be detained in Guantanamo until further notice.

    • 1) Freedom of speech is sacrosanct, Rich. Your position on this denies agency to those reacting to that speech, and is tantamount to bigotry. What muslims do in response to speech they don’t like is entirely their responsibility, and must be. To suggest otherwise is to say that they are merely animals reacting to atavism.

      2) More importantly, the film is nothing but transparent pretext for worldwide, coordinated attacks. If you cannot see that, you are deeply naive.

    • I’m no lawyer, but making a shitty film that some people might find offensive hardly rises to the level of treason, which is what I’ve always understood the domestic part of “all enemies, foreign and domestic” is all about.

      Also, is this “preventative medicine” going to apply solely to things which might inflame the hair-trigger passions of Muslims, or are we going to start screening YouTube and tossing people in jail for things which might also offend, say, the Red Chinese? Most importantly, who gets to decide?

    • If through past experience the General KNOWS the possible outcome of such a foolish and dangerous action by the Preacher, then by all means, put a stop to it…it is called preventative medicine..personally, I think the Preacher and his family aught to be detained in Guantanamo until further notice.

      The General also knows that soldiers stationed in dangerous places who are not permitted to have ammunition may very well end poorly for the soldiers and those they are sent to protect. And yet I see no evidence of him publically asking for ROEs that make sense.

      Then there is that little matter of the General’s authority to do ANYTHING to a civilian who is practicing a right that is supposed to be guaranteed by the General, even unto death if necessary. As a civilian, I do not answer to the military, except maybe if martial law has been declared. But if you curtail the exercise of our rights in order to placate the pertetually enraged, then you have just surrended everything to them…apparently you haven’t figured that out yet,.

  7. Jeff Gauch

    There’s a reason we pay people like Obama and GEN Dempsey the big bucks, it’s to understand the larger geopolitical state of the world. Terry Jones has every right to make any kind of offensive movie he wants. And CJCS has the right, if not the duty, to call up Jones and let him know how difficult his movie is going to make the military’s job.

    Now, if things move beyond our elected officials advising us on the consequences of our actions, which is part of their jobs, and into using the apparatus of the state to punish disfavored speech, that would be a whole different kettle of fish.

    • ultimaratioregis

      “And CJCS has the right, if not the duty, to call up Jones and let him know how difficult his movie is going to make the military’s job.”

      Dead wrong. Absolutely dead wrong. All sorts of non-office holders in that Administration to carry that water. For an Officer on the Active List to do so is entirely inappropriate. For the SENIOR Officer on that list to do so is egregious and unconscionable.